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Best score today · 8 AM · Black drum
- Now
- 305 PM EDT
- Best window
- 5-11 PMEbb tide
- Tide now
- Flooding4.9 ft ▲
Data from: NOAA CO-OPS + NDBC + ECMWF + Open-Meteo Marine · Waterlands engine
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14-day forecast
Best days to fish
24-hour conditions · rolling from now
Conditions · 5 PM · now
Tide & current
NOAA CO-OPS
62Tide: FloodingCurrent: 0.2 kn ebbWind & pressure
ECMWF
71Wind: 9 kt ENEPressure: RisingWater temp & sky
NDBC + Open-Meteo Marine
56Seas over the limit · capped at 30Water temp: 70°F, primeLight: DuskSolunar: Between periodsSeas: 4.1 ftSeason & habitat · Black drum
Species seasonality
35Off season · capped at 35Season: Off seasonHabitat: Usable structureDepth: In rangeRegulations: no rule on file
Current regulations
What you can keep here today
No rule for Black drum is on file here yet, so its status is unknown, not closed. Confirm limits with NYSDEC before you keep a fish.
Source: NYSDEC · synced today
Seasonality · 52-week view · this week ringed
When Black drum is best here
Out of season for Black drum · it leaves in 6 weeks
- Peak
- Shoulder
- Off
- Not here
- This week
Spot profile
Old Orchard Shoal
- Depth
- 15-20 ftFlat bottom
- Structure
- Shoal · Inner · Semi-exposedShoal · flat bottom
- Season
- Off seasonBlack drum
NOAA NCEI DEM, sampled Sep 13 on a 3.4 m grid. Depths are feet below NAVD 88, not chart datum (MLLW), so they can differ from a chart by a few feet. Not for navigation.
About this spot
Fishing Old Orchard Shoal
Old Orchard Shoal is a bar in New York Harbor. Depth is 15-20 ft, with a flat bottom. Its profile reads shoal, inner water and semi-exposed.
Waterlands scores 17 species here; the best right now are scup, little tunny and summer flounder. It is peak season now for scup, little tunny, summer flounder and Spanish mackerel, and shoulder season for bluefish, black sea bass, king mackerel and striped bass. Scup peak from June through October. Little tunny peak from September through October. Summer flounder peak from June through September.
Tackle & technique
- Black drum
- Black drum root along the bottom around oyster reefs, bridge and pier pilings, channel edges and shallow mud flats. TPWD notes they rarely take artificials, so fish peeled shrimp, crab, clams or sand fleas on a bottom rig and let the fish load the rod before setting the hook. Big spawning schools gather near passes and bay mouths in late winter and spring, and in the Chesapeake and Delaware Bay the large fish show up on the shoals from April into June.
- Scup
- Scup school over hard and mixed bottom, rock piles, mussel beds, piers and jetties, usually in 10 to 60 feet of water. Fish a high-low rig with small hooks and squid or clam strips on the bottom, and chum with clam to hold a school under the boat. If nothing bites within 15 minutes, move to the next piece of structure.
- Little tunny
- Little tunny travel fast in schools that pin bait against inlets, points, jetties and tide rips, usually within a few miles of shore and often in less than 60 feet. Stay off the school's path, wait for it to surface within range, and cast small metal or epoxy jigs with a fast retrieve. When fish stay down, troll small feathers along bait edges and color changes to find them.
Nearby spots
Other spots within an easy run
- Great Kills Harbor69
Bay · 1.7 mi
Top: ScupPeak season- Scup 69
- Sheepshead 57
- Little tunny 54
9 kt ENEL 12:01 AM · 0.7 ftH 5:59 AM · 4.7 ft
- Raritan Bay67
Bay · 1.7 mi
Top: ScupPeak season- Scup 67
- Little tunny 53
- Sheepshead 52
9 kt ENEL 12:01 AM · 0.7 ftH 5:59 AM · 4.7 ft
- Crookes Point62
Cape · 1.6 mi
Top: ScupPeak season- Scup 62
- Little tunny 56
- Bluefish 49
9 kt ENEL 12:01 AM · 0.7 ftH 5:59 AM · 4.7 ft
- Craven Shoal62
Bar · 2.0 mi
Top: ScupPeak season- Scup 62
- Little tunny 53
- Summer flounder 52
9 kt ENEL 12:01 AM · 0.7 ftH 5:59 AM · 4.7 ft
Scores and forecasts are for planning only and can be wrong. Conditions on the water change fast; check the marine forecast before you go. Regulations change during the season, so confirm limits and closures with NYSDEC before you keep a fish.
