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Red drumPeak season

Bar · New York

Old Orchard Shoal

40.52°N · 74.12°W · Bar · New York Harbor

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Best score today · 8 AM · Red drum

71/100Great
Now
3010 PM EDT
Best window
10-11 PMEbb tide
Tide now
Ebbing1.6 ft ▼

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24-hour conditions · rolling from now

Conditions · 10 PM · now

Time10PNOW
Score30Fair
Tide1.6 ft ▼Ebbing
CurrentSlack0.1 kn
Wind10 kn NEgusts 21 · steady
Sea stateRough4.2 ft · 6 s
Air temp61°Mild
WeatherOvercast98% cloud
Water70°FObserved

Current regulations

What you can keep here today

IN EFFECT NOW

No rule for Red drum is on file here yet, so its status is unknown, not closed. Confirm limits with NYSDEC before you keep a fish.

Seasonality · 52-week view · this week ringed

When Red drum is best here

Peak season for Red drum · 4 more weeks at peak

Red drum season by week of the year. Peak season for Red drum · 4 more weeks at peak.
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Red drum in New York

Spot profile

Old Orchard Shoal

Depth
15-20 ftFlat bottom
Structure
Shoal · Inner · Semi-exposedShoal · flat bottom
Season
Peak seasonRed drum

NOAA NCEI DEM, sampled Sep 13 on a 3.4 m grid. Depths are feet below NAVD 88, not chart datum (MLLW), so they can differ from a chart by a few feet. Not for navigation.

About this spot

Fishing Old Orchard Shoal

Old Orchard Shoal is a bar in New York Harbor. Depth is 15-20 ft, with a flat bottom. Its profile reads shoal, inner water and semi-exposed.

Waterlands scores 17 species here; the best right now are bluefish, little tunny and sheepshead. It is peak season now for little tunny, sheepshead, summer flounder and Spanish mackerel, and shoulder season for bluefish, black sea bass, striped bass and king mackerel. Bluefish peak in May and from October through November. Little tunny peak from September through October. Sheepshead peak from July through September.

Tackle & technique

Red drum
Redfish feed on shallow grass flats, oyster bars and marsh edges, often in 1 to 4 feet of water, and drop into channels, deep holes and tidal creeks when the water turns very hot or cold. Work a live shrimp under a popping cork or a soft plastic along the grass line on a rising tide, then fish creek mouths and drains as the tide falls. Bull reds over 30 inches school in the surf, passes and jetties in late summer and fall, where cut mullet or a live crab on the bottom is the standard approach.
Bluefish
Bluefish travel in size-sorted schools and feed where tide pushes bait past structure: inlet mouths, rips, shoal edges and the surf line, mostly in water shallower than 60 feet. Look for birds and breaking bait and cast metal or poppers into it, or soak cut bunker or mullet on the bottom from the beach. Use a short wire or heavy leader because their teeth cut light line.
Little tunny
Little tunny travel fast in schools that pin bait against inlets, points, jetties and tide rips, usually within a few miles of shore and often in less than 60 feet. Stay off the school's path, wait for it to surface within range, and cast small metal or epoxy jigs with a fast retrieve. When fish stay down, troll small feathers along bait edges and color changes to find them.

Nearby spots

Other spots within an easy run

  • Great Kills Harbor

    Bay · 1.7 mi

    64
    Top: SheepsheadPeak season
    • Sheepshead 64
    • Black sea bass 60
    • Bluefish 59

    10 kt NEL 12:01 AM · 0.7 ftH 5:59 AM · 4.7 ft

  • Raritan Bay

    Bay · 1.7 mi

    63
    Top: SheepsheadPeak season
    • Sheepshead 63
    • Bluefish 62
    • Little tunny 61

    10 kt NEL 12:01 AM · 0.7 ftH 5:59 AM · 4.7 ft

  • Craven Shoal

    Bar · 2.0 mi

    62
    Top: BluefishShoulder season
    • Bluefish 62
    • Little tunny 60
    • Sheepshead 57

    10 kt NEL 12:01 AM · 0.7 ftH 5:59 AM · 4.7 ft

  • Crookes Point

    Cape · 1.6 mi

    61
    Top: Little tunnyPeak season
    • Little tunny 61
    • Bluefish 59
    • Striped bass 59

    10 kt NEL 12:01 AM · 0.7 ftH 5:59 AM · 4.7 ft

Scores and forecasts are for planning only and can be wrong. Conditions on the water change fast; check the marine forecast before you go. Regulations change during the season, so confirm limits and closures with NYSDEC before you keep a fish.